Armor Ignore - How much is needed

[Slamina]

http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t16629-raid_boss_armor_values/p5/#post697709

Decided to make the main writeup on the EJ forums. Basically took their data & removed the armor values that sunder/cor/ff/executioner provide. Here's piece from the forum thread:


Basically this is the Armor values that Boss's & Trash in Black temple should have left on them if your Executioner's proced(-840), FF(-610), CoR(-800), and 5xSunders(-2600) are all present on the target.

Black Temple
High Warlord Naj'entus: 2850
Supremus: 2850
Shade of Akama: 2850
Teron Gorefiend: 1350
Gurtogg Bloodboil: 2850
Reliquary of Souls:
- Essence of Suffering: 0
- Essence of Desire: 2850
- Essence of Anger: 2850
Mother Shahraz: 1350
Illidari Council:
- Gathios the Shatterer: 1350
Illidan Stormrage: 2850

Outdoor
Doomwalker: 2750

BLACK TEMPLE TRASH(two types, so it's usually one or the other):
level 70= 625 or 1950
level 71= 850 or 2250
level 72= 1100 or 2550
Like personally I'm at 2100 armor ignore unbuffed without Executioner procing. I might have to rethink some things & I definately plan to do some of my own testing on some trash & boss's.

Going beyond 1350 ArPen on Teron Gorefiend is just wasting very valuable ilvl values and will not affect the boss.


Wonder how could we test some trash to get very accurate numbers going? Due to the way armor ignore works, the closer we can get a target to 0 without going over, will make the best use of our gear. Some in-game testing should allow us to come up with some data if we can gather enough sample data. Any Thoughts?

[Slamina]

ok it's 8am and slamina is naked infront of epica. love scene? no...

ok ive spec'ed slamina 0/0/0 to avoid flurry or enrage or other automated +dmg modifiers, and removed all armor ignore gear off slamina. placed a non-executioner weapon on slam to keep this testing under controlled circumstances.

Using thunderclap against Epica in a duel, and then applying sunders and rethunderclapping, im able to tell the exact armor value to within 100 armor of my target!

Ever wonder how much armor the houndmaster + dog packs in BT have? Ever wonder how much armor the large statue like trash mobs have? With some TCing on a mob without cor/ff/sunders and under controlled gear, i can tell exactly how much armor it has. Might be usefull to know if it has 2900 armor, 4500, 8000, or 11000 armor so we can change gear accordingly. Closer we can get to 0 armor without going over the more valuable our gear becomes!