Amp Magic and CoR

[attic]

Looking at this thread:
http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t14440-when_us...y_dampen_magic/ (http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t14440-when_use_cor_amplify_dampen_magic/)

Are we squeezing out all we can?

[Wenge]

Amp Magic has to be one of the dustier corners of my spellbook, and I'd be hard pressed to see spending points to get Imp Amp. Paladins who played before the greater blessings existed will understand what a pain it is to apply it to the entire raid. Further, my rebuff cycle takes long enough as it is, with making replacement mana rocks and applying arc int to groups and then stragglers who missed the group buff. Nevermind that in the past I've been yelled at on vent for applying amp magic :)

That being said, I'm happy to keep this topped up on Aoree and Seld (and Nort?) and our two main deaths, Assault and Kubera. For me, it's just a shift-click on your nameplate.

--W

[Etrigana]

our two main deaths, Assault and Kubera.[/b]

QFT.

-Etri

[phewl]

Looking at this thread:
http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t14440-when_us...y_dampen_magic/ (http://elitistjerks.com/f15/t14440-when_use_cor_amplify_dampen_magic/)

Are we squeezing out all we can?[/b]

i dont have the time to read that right now but ill check it out later. but last time we talked about using CoR on Aran didnt we come to the conclusion that it wouldnt stack with some warrior armor reducing move or something? has that changed since or were we wrong?

[Aurorawind]

In the vein of reducing mob abilities, would a flying pet be of interest for screech?

http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/art...t.shtml#screech (http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/articles/skills_list.shtml#screech)

-210 attack power for 4 seconds to all melee in range?

Downside, flapping pet in the screen.

[Wenge]

Downside, flapping pet in the screen.[/b]

Better than those stupid crockalisks making engine starting noises at the AH all day.

[Aurorawind]

Better than those stupid crockalisks making engine starting noises at the AH all day.[/b]

I hope you're not knocking Voradahl and Magnus.... :ninja:

Anyway I may tame one anyway to serve as a soloing pet, I can bring it if we want to try. Sorry for the thread hijack, just trying to get all we can out of pets too, especially since it debuffs surrounding mobs...

[Rild]

What is says Phewl is keep CoR up on bosses all the time. No it does not cause issues with warriors sunder armor like the rogue expose armor talent it just lets us physical dps hit harder so use it early use it often.

Rild

[Etrigana]

The issue here is that we usually are running with 3 warlocks so curse of recklessness would be replacing one of the greater curses (CoE, CoS and CoD). Of the three curses, the only one that would even be semi-considered to drop in place for CoR would be CoD. CoD currently does 70 base DPS and scales with +damage gear. So, unless someone can find some kind of data that shows the 800 armor reduction is going to raise Physical DPS by more than 70 DPS, I dont see it being something useful. Also, its buffing a mob to hit more, adding a little strain on the healers for what is essentially the benefit of a second Faeire Fire or Sunder Armor debuff.

If a warlock wants to chime in on how much +dmg gear effects CoD, please do. itd help to place its usefullness in comparison. I know Ive heard of it hitting for up to 7k, which means its essentially 117 DPS over the course of a full minute. And if any melee wants to chime in on the damage increases they see on bosses from effects like Sunder Armor, please do.

-Etri

[Mithwen]

The issue here is that we usually are running with 3 warlocks so curse of recklessness would be replacing one of the greater curses (CoE, CoS and CoD).[/b]

In my obsessive debuff watching, I don't think that Phewl and possibly Emily actually use CoD or CoA as that imposes a GCD on shadowbolting goodness.

Pika.

edit for lame grammar and I don't know crap about which button to push to make this edit stop.

[phewl]

In my obsessive debuff watching, I don't think that Phewl and possibly Emily actually use CoD or CoA as that imposes a GCD on shadowbolting goodness.

Pika.

edit for lame grammar and I don't know crap about which button to push to make this edit stop.[/b]
i use CoA if there isnt a imp shadowbolt debuff up that i can try and nab, the nice thing about CoA is that you know instantly if it resists. with CoD if it resists after 1min waiting that kinda sucks.

[tychoquad]

i use CoA if there isnt a imp shadowbolt debuff up that i can try and nab, the nice thing about CoA is that you know instantly if it resists. with CoD if it resists after 1min waiting that kinda sucks.[/b]... You mean it can resist on both cast and proc? I know it can resist on cast because I've had it happen to me many times, but i've never seen it resist on proc. Speaking of curse assignments though, I usually get lobbed with CoE, perhaps I should be doing CoD as I have the most +shadow damage*

EDIT: on a related note, I don't mean to diss you phewl, but here's a relevent quote from the theorycrafting page Etri linked somewhere in this forum: "- As long as it can run full duration, CoD > CoA for sustained single target dps, even if you are deep affliction primarily because of the opportunity cost of re-casting CoA."

*according to the armory as of making this post

[benseac]

... You mean it can resist on both cast and proc? I know it can resist on cast because I've had it happen to me many times, but i've never seen it resist on proc. Speaking of curse assignments though, I usually get lobbed with CoE, perhaps I should be doing CoD as I have the most +shadow damage*

EDIT: on a related note, I don't mean to diss you phewl, but here's a relevent quote from the theorycrafting page Etri linked somewhere in this forum: "- As long as it can run full duration, CoD > CoA for sustained single target dps, even if you are deep affliction primarily because of the opportunity cost of re-casting CoA."

*according to the armory as of making this post[/b]

Yep, I've seen it resist on the proc as well. It vexes me when that happens. Then again, I rarely use CoD anymore so I'm rarely vexed, at least about that.